Michelle Gomez - Star of Green Wing, Doctor Who and the Flight Attendant

The ScotsCare Podcast - Series 2, Episode 3

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ScotsCare is the only charity dedicated to helping disadvantaged Scots in London.

>> Marcus Railton: hello, I’m Marcus Railton and welcome back to the second series of the ScotsCare podcast. ScotsCare is the only charity dedicated to helping disadvantaged Scots in London through a range of support, including financial grants, advocacy, counselling and sheltered housing for older Scots, job coaching, social events, befriending and support for children and families. The charity has been running for 400 years to help break the cycle of poverty experienced by some Scots. In the new series, I’ll be chatting with guests from all walks of life, from celebrities and authors, athletes and actors, business entrepreneurs to academics, all with one thing in common, scots heritage. And they enjoy a good blether.

It’s a huge privilege to welcome Hollywood actress and star of Doctor Who, Michelle Gomez, to the podcast. Michelle became known to many of us back in the early two thousands when she appeared in the sitcom the Green Wing alongside the likes of Stephen Mangan and Olivia Coleman and so many other hugely talented actors. Since then, shes rarely been out of work and is the first woman to play the master in Doctor who alongside Peter Capaldi, whos also from Glasgow. If youre not a doctor who fan, you may have seen her in the us tv show the Flight Attendant, where she plays a rather dastardly assassin. This is on sky or in our house now tv. We caught up over Zoom. from Michelles New York apartment, we chatted about that unusual glaswegian surname, Gomez. We talked about her overnight success that took years and evolved many stints working in bars and restaurants. At one point, she even considered becoming a teacher. Michelles married to fellow actor Jack Davenport and they have a son, Harry, born in America. We chatted about their decision that they took just last year to become american citizens, naturalised citizens. I think that was the expression she used and the reasons behind that. And of course, we talked about Doctor who. So here we go on the Scott Scare podcast with the absolutely inimitable Michelle Gomez.

>> Michelle Gomez: Hi.

>> Marcus Railton: Hello. Hello. Thank you for doing this.

>> Michelle Gomez: Yes, of course. I’m happy to be here. There.

>> Marcus Railton: You look very summery.

>> Michelle Gomez: It’s quite hot here.

>> Marcus Railton: Are you in? I read you were. You’d moved to Connecticut. Connecticut. Connecticut. Is that right?

>> Michelle Gomez: It’s Connecticut.

>> Marcus Railton: Connecticut.

>> Michelle Gomez: But no, I live in New York.

>> Marcus Railton: Oh, do you? Yeah, I got married in New York. We get married. Becky and I get married in Central park. So it’s always kind of special place for me. I really like it there.

>> Michelle Gomez: It’s a good city. When did you get married?

>> Marcus Railton: Ah. that’s such a female, question. When was. When was my wedding anniversary? 20 11. 20 12, 20. 12, 20, 11.

>> Michelle Gomez: Congratulations.

>> Marcus Railton: Thank you.

>> Michelle Gomez: She’s the lucky lady.

>> Marcus Railton: Oh, yeah. Becky. yeah, we got married in Central park by, a rabbi who played a ukulele. It was. It was. And it was phenomenally hot in that kind of. Kind of oppressive New York summer heat.

>> Michelle Gomez: It can get very hot here. Yeah. That’s why everybody leaves in the summer.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah, I’ve seen that on the telly. Yeah.

>> Michelle Gomez: Keith and the tourists, we all get out of the city.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah. I was just watching you with my son on TikTok because Noah, who’s 15, was. Was saying, who are you speaking to? And I said, oh, it’s Michelle Gomez. And I says, you know, because TikTok is the cultural resource for all teenagers these days, so. And I showed him, the. The Mary Queen of Scots sketch that’s on TikTok, and it’s. It’s. I hadn’t seen it before, and it’s so you, and it’s so dry and it’s so scottish. And, you know, he’s. He’s born and brought up in London. He couldn’t understand a word of it, which is. I loved that. I thought it was so funny.

>> Michelle Gomez: That was psycho, bitches.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah, it was just, so good.

>> Michelle Gomez: I went from May Queen of Scots to Margaret Thatcher.

>> Marcus Railton: Did you? That totally has. I will have to look it up.

>> Michelle Gomez: In fact, that Maggie Thatcher that I did got the front page of, it was either one of the rags, like Daily Express or Daily mail, and it said, michelle Gomez is horrific. It was one of my best reviews. I think it’s the only time I’ve ever made the front page.

>> Marcus Railton: What they will say to you. Horrific in a nasty way, rather than, well, there’s, you know, not.

>> Michelle Gomez: And they were very upset at my reading of Margaret Thatcher.

>> Marcus Railton: Oh, I have to look at that.

>> Michelle Gomez: Yes, you should look that one up. In fact, everybody should look.

>> Marcus Railton: I was watching Gillian Anderson do Margaret Thatcher recently on. What was it? Oh, she was at the crown. She was Margaret Thatcher in.

>> Michelle Gomez: That’s right. M. That’s right.

>> Marcus Railton: She was very good at that.

>> Michelle Gomez: well, you should cheque out my Margaret Thatcher. It was quite a stretch. I was like, how does a. Wait, you feel like, sure, you want a Glaswegian to play Margaret Thatcher? I was like, okay, I love that.

Gomez is an unusual glaswegian name

>> Marcus Railton: Let’s go back and talk about your roots, because Gomez is an unusual glaswegian name. Where does that come from?

>> Michelle Gomez: Well, originally, it’s, from Madeira, Portugal. And, the family moved across to, Montserrat in the Caribbean about 250 years ago, a long time ago. And then the volcano started to get a little funky. It’s very active and still is. So they moved to Antigua and settled there. And then my dad was sent across to Edinburgh for an education on his own on a boat. I, think he was about eleven years old. To go from Antigua, who’s being taught by nuns on the beach to fetters in Edinburgh.

>> Marcus Railton: Wow, that’s a cultural handbrake, isn’t it?

>> Michelle Gomez: That’s some whiplash there.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah. Can you imagine getting off the boat in Leith and whenever that was the fifties or sixties and thinking, bloody hell.

>> Michelle Gomez: From the beach, from, half moon bay to Leithen.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah. And not the leaf of today.

>> Michelle Gomez: He, he, he loved it. He always claimed it was his biggest adventure, which of course, for a boy of eleven years old it would have been. And I think it was weeks on that boat. And, and then there’s a. I have a picture of him in a kilt and I think of him landing the beach. And, But no, there wasn’t, there was a lot of tartan or shortbread at my house after school. It was all rum and calypso. Harry Belafonte featured heavily. But we all love Stanley Baxter.

You’re Glasgow born and Brede. So is your mum Scottish then? Not 100%

>> Marcus Railton: So is your mum Scottish then? 100% scottish. Did she?

>> Michelle Gomez: No, not exactly. Not 100%. She was sent up, during the war from, Kennington in London.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah, yeah.

>> Michelle Gomez: To Glasgow as a girl to be safe.

>> Marcus Railton: But you grew up in Glasgow because you went to Sholins Academy, didn’t you?

>> Michelle Gomez: Yes, yes, I’m Glasgow born and Brede.

>> Marcus Railton: And were you always performing, were you doing drama at school then?

>> Michelle Gomez: Well, Shawn’s academy, yeah.

>> Marcus Railton: Because I know you went on to do that.

>> Michelle Gomez: Yeah, there was, there was, there was a lot of. I wasn’t a great student. There’s a lot of mucking about. but when I got to Sheldon’s academy, there was a teacher. I had a lot of energy and, a lot and. Which, made it hard for me to kind of focus and I be, you know, a grade A student. I was always pissing about in the background. But then I did meet this wonderful teacher called Elizabeth McNaughton, who was head of English and she saw something in me and then I started to get into, I guess, drama with a capital or small d with, with that, amazing teacher. And I kind of could funnel all of my crazy energy into something that I could focus it into more.

>> Marcus Railton: And, was it, was it her that encouraged you to apply for the. Was it called, was it called the conservatoire there? Or was it, was it called Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama?

>> Michelle Gomez: Sounds so Ponzi. No, it was a Royal Scottish Academy of Music and drama, but they wouldn’t let me in. So, I went back again, second year to audition again. And they were like, no, still no, but we do have a teaching course starting. And, I was like, oh, that might be a good idea. So, like, if it doesn’t work out as an actor, which it didn’t for a long time, I could be a teacher. So I was a teacher for two minutes.

>> Marcus Railton: But it’s funny. Who gets into that course and who doesn’t get into that course. I remember years, this is years ago, speaking to Tony Curran about it. And Tony Curran is, fantastic. He’s in so many things. And I remember him telling me that he auditioned and didn’t get in. So I was never too sure what they were looking for.

>> Michelle Gomez: They were looking for. I think at that time it was different. It was a different time. And, when, ah, I finally did get in, I was in a class with a lot of english people. So I think what they tried to do with us back then was sort of take that, take that, very kind of like Scottishness or Glaswegion, which is very different, is another thing. We’re all, we’re all our own unique Scots. But if you’re a ouija, you know, I think that’s, that’s the most scottish you could be. Everybody’s probably argue, with me now, but that’s fine because you don’t really want to come from Edinburgh because it’s kind of like, wow. It’s kind of like a beautiful actress with no talent. It’s got the castle then, you know. but, yeah, so I’m very proud of my glaswegian heritage and, so, but I never, I just couldn’t get rid of my voice. Like, I couldn’t. I remember they really tried to sort of train it out of me.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah.

>> Michelle Gomez: And, then I’d run it and then I moved to London and. Because I heard that the streets were paved with gold and, they weren’t. But I did. I’m glad I did. I’m glad I did make that push, to leave, because I met. I wouldn’t have met my husband and I wouldn’t have had the life I’ve had. Probably if I’d stayed in Glasgow, it would have been a very different life. I’m sure it would have been a good one, but very different. And it just wasn’t my path. But when I got to London, I felt even more scottish, you know, I felt even more of a ouija, but still I wouldn’t get rid of my accent. I still have it, you know, it’s probably softened off a bit now, but.

>> Marcus Railton: I think that happens to people like us who do leave Scotland. I think I’m more scottish now than I was when I was in Scotland.

Were you able to become an actress by doing acting jobs or wait tables

But when you moved, when you moved to London, how, gradual or instant were you able to become an actress and pay for your lifestyle by doing acting jobs? Was it overnight or was it gradual or did you have to wait tables or were you able to convert a.

>> Michelle Gomez: Long time to go into this face? So I couldn’t play the ingenue. Nobody was casting this face as a young woman. They didn’t know what to do with me, so I waited. Yeah, I was a waitress for years and years and years. And I also, like, I found other ways to make money. I used to do these, Remember the murder mystery dinner things?

>> Marcus Railton: Yes.

>> Michelle Gomez: You go to the Queen Mary, actually, and I would just be having dinner and then sort of, you know, die in my, in my own tray, my main core. And then everybody had to solve the, you know, solve the mystery, solve the murder. So there was that. There’s murder mystery. There was some karaoke presenter at one point. yeah, so I just, I used to clean toilets, cleaned the toilets at Babati bousters. I waited. The table and a clean toilet. Babbity bowser’s was this tiny little hotel in the merchant city in Glasgow. And I think it had like, six bedrooms. So I would clean them. I do everything, anything I could.

>> Marcus Railton: I used to drink in Babbitty bousters. I remember going there years ago. It must have been early nineties.

>> Michelle Gomez: It was ten deep. It was always ten deep.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah.

>> Michelle Gomez: And I had the Keeley band going and we would serve haggis to tourists and laugh and, Yeah, it took a long time, a long time. I’ve had a lot of rejections and still do. Like, it’s still.

>> Marcus Railton: That’s, that’s interesting.

I was wondering how pragmatic you are about being an actor

I was wondering, because I wanted to ask you that, I wondered, you know, as a person, how pragmatic you are. And I. My friend Duncan is an actor and he was in Andor and, the Star wars thing and. But then I remember him saying to me when he got the part in rogue one, he thought he’d made it. He said, I’m in Star Wars. I made it. And then he said, and then I sat on my arse for a year. Ah. And didn’t, you know, and I just wondered whether you are you, are you relatively pragmatic about that and also being, you know, you’re married to an actor, you’re married to Jack Davenport. So, are you down with when you don’t work, are you able to relax into it and say it will come along or do you have moments of panic?

>> Michelle Gomez: Ah, no, there’s not a lot of panic, not at my age now. It’s just too exhausting. I learned how to use my energy in more productive ways. It’s just part of the job. And if you don’t lean into that, the biggest part is not taking any of it personally and being really grateful when you do get a job and really enjoying it, but always knowing like, well, this is gonna end, you know, and so just being as present as you can for that experience, have as much fun as you can and work as hard as you can and, you know, you, over the years, decades now, you know, you sort of build a professional network in a community and so you’re just, yeah, I mean, I have a kid and a dog. Hear him now. And a big life. And so it’s, whilst acting is still super important to me, it’s my profession and I’m proud of it and it’s craft that I’ve worked hard at and I also have lots of other things going on in my life as well, so I don’t, yeah, I guess I don’t really have time for panic.

>> Speaker C: Scott’s care, supporting scott away from home in London.

Michelle Gomez talks about playing bad guys in Doctor who

>> Marcus Railton: let me ask you about playing bad guys because you’re very good at playing bad guys. And I think this is, you know, we’ve got to talk about Doctor who. And I was chatting to the film critic, a guy called Will Jordan. He’s a thriller writer and a film critic and he was talking about bad guys, writing bad guys and writing good guys. And he says bad guys are more interesting, they’re more nuanced, they’re more complicated, they’re better character to play. Do you get more fun out of playing bad guys? Because when you played Missy, I mean, she does some terrible things, does she not? You did play missy. Were you in Doctor who?

>> Michelle Gomez: Wasn’t she? She was asking for it. I mean, you know, she deserved, it was a hole and she needed to be pushed into, it’s very difficult to act with, with Jenna Coleman also because she’s so incredibly beautiful. So, you know, she, she needed to be thrown down a hole occasionally.

>> Marcus Railton: But you also brought this comedic to the role, I thought. I thought you brought a kind of comedic dryness to it. You brought a something that was very you, very Michelle Gomez to it. And I think the thing, that came across that I might be imagining it, but I kind of imagined that you and the doctors could almost have been friends in another life because it’s.

>> Michelle Gomez: We were historically, the master and the doctor were great friends. And then it’s just, it was a friendship that kind of turned into a frenemy ship. And, so I sort of leaned into.

I just loved playing opposite Peter Capaldi. And also Stephen Moffat

The fact that I absolutely adored Peter Capaldi just made me laugh and I loved his big, serious face and I loved making him giggle and, slapping his face and doing all sorts of things. I just loved playing opposite Peter Capaldi. And so you’re only ever as good as the person you’re playing opposite. And so I got the chance to work Peter and we genuinely liked each other. And so that kind of, I think, very naturally led through into the energy that was between us. And also Stephen Moffat, you know, another good Glaswegian. I mean, that was quite ouija heavy, actually, that season because there was Stephen, Peter and I off in basketball. And so it just. It was fun to play with that dynamic of are they friends? You know, are they. It just always. It was a bit more interesting, probably for me, maybe not for the audience.

>> Marcus Railton: But I think it was. I think it’s a sign of really good writing when we say that.

>> Michelle Gomez: Best racing. Stephen Moffat, magnificent writing and he wrote to my strengths, for sure.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah. Have you ever read any of the Ian Rankin books? The, the Rebus books?

>> Michelle Gomez: Yes. Yeah.

>> Marcus Railton: Because especially in the later ones, I always think it kind of strikes me there’s a, there’s this kind of frenemy thing between Rebus and big jer at, the end of their lives where they’re almost like two sides of the same coin. You know, they hate each other and they need each other at the same time.

>> Michelle Gomez: Exactly. Yeah. It’s a. It’s very codependent and, Is, Did you ever see John Hanna’s rebus?

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A long time ago. Yes.

>> Michelle Gomez: Because I was in that with. With John for a mini mole.

>> Marcus Railton: I didn’t know that.

>> Michelle Gomez: Yeah, it’s good. That was. That was a lovely wee job.

>> Marcus Railton: He’s very good. And then Ken Stott took over and then I’ve not watched. I’ve not watched a new one yet where they’ve kind of rebooted it on a young rebus, have they?

>> Michelle Gomez: I want to cheque it out.

>> Marcus Railton: It’s very good. It’s very good. It’s kind of a reimagining because it’s. He is young, but they’ve not done it in like the seventies or something like that. They’ve done it in present day.

>> Michelle Gomez: Oh, they have.

>> Marcus Railton: All right.

>> Michelle Gomez: Okay.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah. So kind of monkeys with your head a little bit.

>> Michelle Gomez: If you’ve read m any, anything that starts with good writing means it continues to have that potential to reboot, you know, and come back because it’s, it’s so rich and there’s a lot there. So I’m not surprised to hear that that’s coming.

When you left doctor who, was it your decision to call time on that

>> Marcus Railton: When you left doctor who, was it your decision to kind of call time on that? Because it’s, it’s quite a difficult decision from an actor’s point of view, I would have thought, because it’s financially rewarding and it’s a precarious profession. maybe another two or three years would be quite nice. That’ll get the mortgage.

>> Michelle Gomez: You know, a real gift in life is always knowing when to leave the party. That’s one of my, that’s one of my most treasured tools in my toolbox. I always know when to leave the party, apparently. You should leave the party before you really want to. That’s the best time to leave a party. and it had been three years. And I was living in LA at the time, so the commute was quite a lot. As long as you get from La to London and then you got to get to Cardiff. Oh my gosh, that was a lot because Harry was really young then, still a baby. So I was, I lived on planes and so, yeah, it just felt like. I just kind of like, you know, when it’s time. And I didn’t really want. I got very, protective over the Capaldi Gomez deal as well. Like, didn’t want to be the master to anyone else. I didn’t want to be the master to another doctor. That’s how I felt back then.

>> Marcus Railton: And I think when you took it on, did you know much about Doctor who? Because you were really buying into. It’s not just, it’s not just a programme, it’s a subculture, isn’t it?

>> Michelle Gomez: Well, I was in, as I say, I was living in LA at that time and I had been offered another role in that season and. Oh, no, in the season. Anyway, at some point, I can’t remember the timeline now because I don’t have a Tardis. But, I had been off another part and I couldn’t do it. I physically couldn’t get there. And, so I wrote to Stephen Moffat and I said, I’ve said, I’m sure lots of people have heard me say this, but I, I just was gutted I couldn’t be there. And I was really worried that I’d never be invited on again. so if ever he needed a blue eyed, high cheekbone villain, I’m your man. And I didn’t hear anything for a few months because I didn’t expect to. I was just, like, throwing something out into the universe. And then my agent called and said, do you want to sit down? I’ve got some news. And I was like, what is it? And she said, they want you to play the master doctor who. And I was like, well, I am a doctor who fan and I know that, that, I don’t know how that could possibly work because it’s always been played by, you know, a man and, a man from the sort of theatrical, like a theatrical stalwart, like somebody that’s, you know, Derek Jacoby and it was rich Delgado and it was Roger Delgado. And, you know, I was like, okay. And I really thought she was having a joke, like, and, she wasn’t. And then I got really protective over it because I wasn’t going to tell anybody because I was wanting it to be a big reveal for the fans. And I didn’t. I told my husband and my agent, you, and that was it. So I had to wander around, strange smile on my face for about a year.

>> Marcus Railton: Wow, that’s a long time. That’s a key.

>> Michelle Gomez: It was a long time. A long time, yeah. And when we filmed that last scene, it was at St. Paul’s Cathedral, and there were hundreds of people turned up. A lot a, ah, lot of people turned up. And they had these tiny little, what are they called? These little microphones that are like. Anyway, there was a lot of these little, tiny little microphones being held by various platforms, so we couldn’t really say the real lines.

>> Marcus Railton: Okay.

>> Michelle Gomez: So I had to, like, kind of.

>> Marcus Railton: Whisper that, you know, atmosphere of the script being revealed.

>> Michelle Gomez: Yeah.

>> Marcus Railton: Oh, okay. That’s really interesting. And did you still get a good reception? Have you ever been to the comic cons or the fan sites?

>> Michelle Gomez: Yes, yes, yes. The San Diego Comic Con and the New York Comic Con and Atlanta, Aberdeen. I did a comic con just a couple of months ago. My first scottish comic Con.

>> Marcus Railton: Wow.

>> Michelle Gomez: Convention. Like, I don’t know, about six weeks ago, quite recently.

>> Marcus Railton: see, that must be quite different from. From being in a television programme to standing across, you know, sitting across the table from, you know, staring right into the people who. Who think it’s, you know, the best things in sliced bread. You know, they.

>> Michelle Gomez: They are sliced bread. I love sliced bread, but it is, you know, I mean, for the fans and for me, it’s the best thing ever. Like, I’m. I’m still like in a place of real, gratitude, you know, like, or disbelief that I got to play the master because I grew up with Doctor who and I was just like, so it is the best thing.

Anxiety is an emotion we all experience from time to time

>> Marcus Railton: So who was your doctor who? Tom Baker. And then Peter Davidson.

>> Michelle Gomez: Yeah, it was Baker.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was me too. Tom Baker. A bit of, you know, and then maybe a bit of. What’s his name? Colin. Who was the one after Davison? Oh, I can’t remember. Colin. It’ll come to me.

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I really loved Greenwing because I thought it was a mould breaking show

>> Marcus Railton: I think when you first came on my radar was with greenwing and I loved it. I really loved Greenwing because I thought, it was a mould breaking show. It was like, you know, the little interstitials, the music and everyone in it was as bonkers as each other. And your character, Sue White, was particularly bonkers. And, when you read that, did you think, oh, I can. Because I can’t imagine anyone. I spend a lot of time thinking, I wonder who else could have played these parts. But I can’t imagine anyone ever knocking it out the park the way you did with that because your character was quite unhinged.

>> Michelle Gomez: Well, I mean, it was. It was the end of attacks year for channel four, I think. And, they just like wanted to keep their funding so they threw a load of actors and writers in a room and workshopped us all together. And, green ring was born and don’t think. I can’t really remember, but I think it was really meant to be just one episode and then I’m not sure if I’ve got that right, but, I guess what I’m saying is we didn’t realise it was going to be such a huge hit. And I think it’s because, at the time, each character was written so closely to whatever we were doing in the rehearsal space at that point. So we were just kind of free, to play and lark about and see what would come. And it was written beautifully, and I. We ended up with this great show that was original because we’d been given the time to start with from the ground up, you know, and just kind of create something together. So that’s why I think you felt that real, sense of community with us. Like, it was very. It was a very tight family.

>> Marcus Railton: That’s really fascinating to learn that, because that’s exactly how it comes across. I mean, there was yourself, julian Rin Tut Tams and Greg, Stephen Mangan, Pippa Heywood, Mark Heap, Olivia Coleman, and everybody inhabited the characters so beautifully. And I know you only got two series out of it. I wonder if it was a victim of its own success because there were so many of you went on to do other things that just became too difficult to put all these people together again.

>> Michelle Gomez: It seems to be a trend in Britain that you only do two seasons of things, or maybe three. It’s not like in America, which is a bit more of a factory. I think the real strength in Britain is that you come out with something wonderful and original. and, you know, like, again, like, you know, when it’s. When it’s done. I mean, I don’t know who else we could have offended by the time we’d finished. And, you know, I was riding a camel down a working hospital in Basingstoke at one point, a real live camel. So it’s like, where else? How far do you go? And, yes, I guess that’s one way of looking at it. We could have been a victim of our own success because it launched all of our careers and we did go on to do. All of us went on to do great things and have these wonderful lives. I think really, because greenwing was such a springboard for us.

>> Marcus Railton: And then, as you said, that’s the difference between the UK and the USA, to a certain extent.

>> Michelle Gomez: Ah, they log a dead horse. It’s like six seasons in and you’re like, oh, yes, I know. Uh-huh. But, you know, there’s. Because there’s more money involved. Like, it’s a different. It’s a completely different set of rules over here, and it’s just. And it took me a minute to wrap my head around that. I mean, I’ve been here for a long time now, but it’s just different. It’s completely different.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah. And I do know what I think the downside to that for me is when I’m sitting there watching Netflix or something. You kind of think, I know this isn’t going to end because I know they’re going to strangle another four series out of it. So, you know, it’s. When you get to the season finale, it’s not going to be. You’re not going to get a satisfactory ending out of so many things these days.

>> Michelle Gomez: I guess it just depends what platform it’s on, what network it’s on, you know, like, it just depends. Everything’s. Nothing’s black and white.

Michelle and Jack Davenport become naturalised citizens of the United States

>> Marcus Railton: You do call America your home now. How long have you lived in the United States?

>> Michelle Gomez: I mean, really? Almost 20 years, but 15, like. No, actually. Well, yeah, nearly 20 years.

>> Marcus Railton: I read. So this might not be true. I read that you and Jack and Harry are now Americans, you’re naturalised citizens and what?

>> Michelle Gomez: Well, Harry was always an american. He was born in LA and he was, our american baby. American child. And then, we started to get a little bit nervous about. About this year because this is bit of a funky, election year. and we just got a little bit nervous about having a different status to Harry. And also, my name is Gomez and his is Davenport. And I would be questioned a few times at the airport. So, we decided to become citizens so that there would be no argument if and when things happen, depending on what happens on in November over here. So Harry, actually swore us in on the day. Swore us and I think 42 other countries in, on the day that we were being, naturalised. It’s called becoming citizens. so that was kind of mind blowing. That also happened on Jack’s birthday.

>> Marcus Railton: Oh, lovely.

>> Michelle Gomez: That was quite a remarkable day.

>> Marcus Railton: And are your parents still around? Do you get back to Scotland much?

>> Michelle Gomez: No, they had the good grace of dying young, so we don’t need to worry about them. in our middle age, that’s a.

>> Marcus Railton: Very pragmatic way of looking at it. Michelle, that’s very, very honest.

>> Michelle Gomez: Always, always.

You did 21 episodes of Doom Patrol as a flight attendant

>> Marcus Railton: Let me just ask you, before we wrap up, I want to talk about the flight attendant, because my wife Becky loved it. And I said I was speaking to you and she says, oh, michelle is great in that. I mean, that must have been. That must have been a good show to do that, because I love the flight attendant. That was super.

>> Michelle Gomez: Oh, it was brilliant. Kelly. Coco, are you kidding me? She’s just, wow, what a life force. Like, I finally met somebody that, you know, more energy than I did, and that was an absolute blast. I loved it. It was brilliant. And, actually took us into and through the pandemic, that show.

>> Marcus Railton: Did you read for that or was.

>> Michelle Gomez: Did I? Yeah. Yeah. I went on tape for it because I was doing. I was in Vancouver doing, Sabrina, and this casting came up and I read for it. And then luckily, Steve Yorke, who’s the showrunner on that, is big doctor who fan, quite liked Missy. So he was like, oh, I’ll have her. So I was so great again, Missy. Missy is the gift that keeps on giving.

>> Marcus Railton: Yeah, I’ll bet.

>> Michelle Gomez: And because of that, Steve then went on to doom patrol. So then he took me on to that next show was Doom patrol.

>> Marcus Railton: You did 21 episodes of Doom Patrol. Does that take up a lot of your time?

>> Michelle Gomez: Yeah, that’s. That’s in Atlanta, so at least it’s in the same country. And it’s not that far to fly. It’s domestic flight, so that’s made that much easier.

Michelle: Have you ever worked with Jack? Scott: No and no

>> Marcus Railton: I know you said that you and Jack tried to flip flop on the. On the work. Have you ever worked with Jack? Or would you like to work with Jack?

>> Michelle Gomez: No and no.

>> Marcus Railton: Okay.

>> Michelle Gomez: It’s a question of keeping, you know, church and state separate. I like that about the dishwasher. Don’t want to talk to him on set as well.

>> Marcus Railton: That’s brilliant. Michelle, thank you for today. I’ve really enjoyed chatting with you. Thank you for joining the Scotts Gear podcast. It means a lot to us.

>> Michelle Gomez: Yes, well, I’m a proud Scott. I’ll always be. Even if my name’s Gomez. Still. Mike Gomez.

>> Marcus Railton: Gomez. Even if you don’t like haggis.

>> Michelle Gomez: No, it’s awful.

>> Marcus Railton: I’m a vegetarian these days, so I, you know, I. I’ve had vegetarian haggis, and that seems.

>> Michelle Gomez: I don’t mind vegetarian haggis. Yes, I’ve had that. But we used to serve haggis at Bamsi Bow, so never. It was like, no, no.

>> Marcus Railton: maybe. I’m sure it’s all more sanitised now. It’s just I don’t want to have to explain to my kids what’s in the haggis. Yeah. No.

>> Michelle Gomez: Ever.

>> Marcus Railton: Thank you, Michelle. Speak to you later.

>> Michelle Gomez: Oh. Bye. See you later. This is awkward.

>> Marcus Railton: No, no.

>> Michelle Gomez: Goodbye.

>> Marcus Railton: Thank you.

>> Michelle Gomez: You, hang up.

>> Marcus Railton: Oh.

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