Professional boxer Hannah Rankin - Former WBA and IBO 154lb World Champion 🥊

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 [Music] Hello I’m Marcus Railton and this is the Scotscare podcast. Scotscare is the only charity dedicated to helping disadvantaged Scots in London through a range of support including mental health therapy, financial grants, advocacy, sheltered housing for older Scots, job coaching, social events, befriending and support for Children and Families. The Charity’s been running for 400 years to help break the cycle of poverty experienced by some Scots.

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Joining me today is professional boxer Hannah Rankin. Hannah became Scotland’s first ever female world champion in 2019 when she won the IBO super Welterweight Title, she then added the WBA super welcome with title to that in November 2021 and as if that’s not enough incredible talent for one person Hannah is also a professional bassoonist, having learned music on her mother’s knee since she was a young child. A boxer’s life is a busy one and it’s taken a fair while to pin her down for a chat but today we finally got there.

Hi Hannah, thanks for joining the ScotsCare podcast.

Oh no thank you very much for having me it’s pleasure to join you.

Oh I know you’re so busy and you know what we’ve had some great guests, we’ve had a guy from Star Wars, and we’ve had Christopher Brookyre best-selling crime author I uh clinical psychologist about the secret of happiness and I tell I tell my friends about these oh this is who I’m chatting with today and they’ll go all right fair enough right and you’re the first person when I said I’m chatting to Hannah Rankin they’ve said oh excellent can you ask her this and that?

I’ve noted a couple of questions down and I thought oh I could try and cleverly work them into the interview as if there were mine but once I come to them I’ll just say this is from Rory this is from Neil and that way they they get their answers .

That’s cool to know that!

Where did you grow up?

I grew up in Loch Lomond um my family have a farm at the top of Glen Luss so um I went to Primary School in last the tiny little village there and um yeah that’s why I lived my whole life until I moved down to London to study. It’s beautiful though we used to go on school trips there when I was a kid I know it’s like I always say to people when it’s sunny at home I wouldn’t be anywhere else in the world because it’s absolutely stunning, but it’s only about five days of the year so this is it

Because I always think because I’m I’m based in London and I also to my wife I do get homesick I, still get homesick after 20 odd years in London and she says yeah but the weather going home to the weather you know and

that’s especially around ock Lomond when it’s Bonnie it’s lovely but the rain when it’s wet is wet yeah do you

remember take the high road do you remember the Scottish yeah I used to film it in Lassen it’s very strange

because obviously we used to have a lot of American tourists come to us and um the poor people that live there I think

they thought the houses were part of the set I don’t think they actually thought it was people’s genuine houses that they

lived in so there’s often people peering into their houses looking around you know thinking it was just part of a film

set but actually you know it’s real life for them brilliant isn’t it you moved to London to study music how long ago was

that so I moved down here involved

2012 2013. so a good while ago then yeah I’ve been there quite a while and I’ve

been here quite a while now if it feels like a second home really um I moved down to do my masters at what Academy of Music

and what came first was it the music or the boxing oh music yeah I’ve been I’ve

been involved in music right from day one really my granddad was a music teacher when he’s at school and um my

mum always encouraged music in the house she played the piano and the French one and the cello so myself and my sisters

we all encouraged from a very young age actually and one of my earliest memories is actually sitting on my mom’s knee at

the piano uh singing songs with her and listening you play the bassoon do you go straight do you go straight in as a

bassoon player or do you graduate to bassoon no actually so uh first of all

obviously you started on piano um but you know I I was never very great at the piano it was one of those things

where I find it quite frustrating with the two hands moving around and everything my sisters were much better at it than me

um but then I moved on to the flute because I wanted that my Grandad suggested that we wanted to maybe do some orchestral playing so you know I

moved on to the flute my sisters went on to string instruments and then when I was in my uh well I must be in my fourth

year at secondary school and a lovely old lady donated a bassoon to our school

because she was horrified there wasn’t one in the orchestra so she donated one and I thought I want to play that it’s

different and I’m fed up being one of like 400 flute players so I picked up

the bassoon and instantly knew that was the instrument for me I just fell in love with it it’s a great sound isn’t it

yeah but maybe it’s my naivety but when I first started researching you because

I knew you as a boxer and then it came out that you you played bassoon at a very high level and maybe it’s wrong

with me to think what what an odd mix are people surprised that you are a boxer and

like if if somebody said to me oh do you know she also plays a drum inside the camera went oh okay she plays the drumless but the bassoon seems such I

don’t know they seems such juxtaposed things don’t they um I suppose so if you look at it from

that angle but then for me it makes a lot of sense I I explain this to people quite often because I do get that are

you mad those two things do not go together at all but um B was like being pursuitous and being an orchestral

musician uh you have to enjoy performing often I’m on stage with an orchestra or a quintet or something like that and I

enjoy performing you know I’m under the lights I’m there to create a memorable event for people coming to listen

um you know basically play with their emotions hope they like they enjoy the highs and the lows of the music and it’s

exactly the same thing in boxing you know you get into the boxing ring to entertain people you’re in there to perform and it’s just um it’s just a bit

different in fact that the lights go down and it’s just you and one other person and you’re gonna have a fight but

it’s still an entertainment aspect of it um and both things require such dedication and discipline when it comes

to the practice side of things so for me they actually work very well together if you look back in history um martial arts

particularly there’s a strong connection to music all the way through that so

actually they do make quite a lot of sense but um I think people think with the bassoon is quite it’s quite a

serious classical instrument so yeah I would can possibly cross over into some sort of violent sport but uh yeah it’s

more like beautiful violence I suppose that’s kind of how I see it I like that beautiful violence it’s a nice phrase isn’t it your mum passed away a few

years ago and I was is this true that you one of the reasons you took up boxing was to deal with what your mum

was going through at the time as a kind of outlet for you well actually I moved down to London to

do a masters and that first term everything was going really well I’d actually found a gym specifically to do

Combat Sports in because I’d actually got back into Being Fit again and doing that up in Glasgow at the end of my

undergraduate and I actually went back into Thai boxing but then I met my coach and he introduced me to boxing and I I

was doing that all the way through my first term it’s when I got back home at Christmas that year that I found out my

mum she’d just been diagnosed with cancer and so it happened to have just started prior to that but during those

six months when she started to decline unfortunately she passes away at the end of that boxing became a huge a huge sort

of um hugely important part of my life because it was a whole different world that wasn’t Associated to my mum because

obviously doing my music I was very close to my mom she was my number one supporter she came to all of my concerts and things so it was kind of like a

break from that connection to her obviously music’s very emotional as well so it was kind of nice to be able to go

to the gym and it was probably the only place where I could become so tired that for a split second I probably couldn’t

think about my mom being ill yeah I understand the separation there it’s probably something that’s necessary yeah

and I had a sort of a different family of people at the gym and I think most people who do boxing will tell you that

it is like a family when you join a boxing gym uh people are very friendly everyone works together and uh yeah it

was just a different budget for people to to be around and I it’s probably the reason that I put so much into my boxing

career now because at the time like probably the lowest point in my life most difficult time boxing was there for

me and it supported me and you know I think I I owe us a lot because it helped with the frustration and the anger and

the upset um so yeah I think that’s probably why I put so much into it now your dad’s a big

supporter and because I saw a photograph of you when you won the IBO super Welterweight Title and your dad was in

the ring and the the Luke on his face is just brilliant it was such Pride but I kind of Wonder having a daughter myself

does your dad ever worry about you or does he your dad think oh my Lord that somebody else tried to punch my

daughter’s head in here I think so especially as he’s got a little bit older and I’ve gone further into my career obviously got further up into

much harder fights and things uh you know it’s definitely stressful for him one of his three little girls you know

so at the end of the day of course he’s going to be stressed and I think he’s got the stage now where he just kind of

takes his glasses down so you can’t fully see everything you know what he’s what’s going on in the ring but he

trusts my team and that’s the most important thing you know I’ve got a great team around me and like my coach personal is always in contact with my

dad my dad always drops him a message in fight week just to check how I am I think he thinks I I don’t know about

this but you know but yeah no I think he gets sort of reassurance and comfort from the fact is

a great connection to the team around me and they’re always keeping him in the loop about how things are going so yeah

any athlete that I’ve spoken to for the for the record the podcast recordings I’ve spoken about the coach I either

chat with Martin Perry the paralympian table tennis guy and he was talking about Terry his coach and he said

without your coach you’re just nothing I mean is that the same for is that why I mean you actually have it when I email

you I’m emailing team Rankin so is your coach fundamental to you absolutely fundamental that I wouldn’t be here

where I am now without my coach because when I decided I wanted to take out boxing as a career and go into it and

see how far I could go you know it was my coach that was the person right by my side and he’s been by my side from the

very beginning uh White Collar fight they did for charity right through to me being a double world champion now so you

know they are absolutely instrumental in in where you get to and especially in boxing your coach know as you inside out

and fundamentally at the end of the day should you be in a hard fight and you get taking some injuries they’re the

person that could ultimately save your life because they’ll see any sort of changes or things that you know they’re

not used to seeing having seen you every single day in the gym um and also you know they’re there for

the highs they’re there for the lows and it’s like an unbreakable team and I always have everything on the team

ranking because at the end of the day I wouldn’t get to fight night without my team around me they’re the people that

get me to the fitness levels need to be out get me to wait help me with my mental training you know and put me

through my paces and get my skill levels to where they need to be so at the end of the day I’m the tip of the spear they’re everything prior to that

Scott’s care helping to break the cycle of deprivation for Scots in London

here’s my first question from my friend Rory yeah he’s been doing White Collar boxing and he he lost a load of weight

over the last couple of years and he looks fantastic now he’s really true congratulations Rory yeah he’s done well

and so I’m just going to read it out to you Rory says what gives you the extra Edge for a win is it solely skill or the

drive to want to win more at all costs within reason is there no room for General niceness do you need to just go

in and be brutal within the rules to secure the win well I think when it comes when it comes to it you can be one

of the most skilled boxers on the planet but if you haven’t got that drive to win or that belief in yourself that you’re

going to win then you probably won’t and if you think you’re going to fail you will because that’s just how it is

it’s in boxing if you think you’re going to miss anything you’re going to get hit you will get hit because you don’t commit to your punches you don’t commit

to what you’re doing so I think it’s about commitment it’s about belief in yourself and ultimately there’s that

sort of will to win and you’ve seen some of the most amazing fights out there you know at the end of the day it comes down

to who wants it more and that is really how it works out and this is why boxing’s so exciting because it’s true

one-on-one combat you know it goes all the way back to sort of graduatorial times

um and there’s something special about that there’s nothing else there’s nobody else in the ring gonna help you and it’s truly how much inside you definitely

want to win over the person in front of you regarding that you know you’ll talk about if you think you’re going to feel

you’re going to feel yeah do you remember when as Patricia burko not Burke Holt yes you don’t yeah and that

was the first time you had ever been knocked down yeah how does that because I read that and I

thought whoa how does that rattle you and how do you get up and win from that point because if you’ve never been

knocked down to get put on your bum for the very first time it must be a massive thing it was you know and at the time I

remember thinking I can’t believe that just happened I was just like what you know that way you

just never believe it’s gonna happen because you you’re aware of the fact it can happen I think that’s I should say that but then you’re just like oh what

it does happen it’s a surprise and it’s how you react to that so in my mind I was just like oh I’ve got to get back up

and fix this problem that was the first thing that came through in my mind I was like wait I’m back up I’m sorted out and

um I’ll go back there and I’m gonna win from this point onwards and I I lost a controversial decision in that fight but

it’s that drive to to win and to beat your opponent and also no matter what the situation is to come back and get on

top again that’s the important side of it that’s it it’s the mental toughness what is it Rocky says it’s not how hard

you can hit it’s how hard you can get hit yeah keep going yeah when we’re

talking about the IB or super Welterweight Title that you won yeah achievement history moment for a

Scottish female world champion yeah but you’d thought prior twice in the USA but am I right in thinking those were not

really it waits you felt comfortable no when I first bought in America

um I thought Alicia Napoleon over in New York and I went up to Super middleweight like I wasn’t really a Superman I

literally just went into Superman bit of weight weight class division by about a pound you know and um but she was quite

a small super middleweight as well which is why I took the fight also it’s a great opportunity for exposure a chance

to fight in America which is for me is amazing I love vice city in America you know there’s so many great fights that

have happened over there in history of the sport and things so you know for me to fight in America for the first time was amazing

um but no super middleweight is not my division and then of course I thought Clarissa Shields one of the pound for pound greats of Our Generation uh fought

her middleweight and I’m not a middleweight either I’m more I’m my true weight’s really super Welter and I can

go down to welterweight so you know it was opportunities to go there and test myself against top level Fighters and I

truly believe this and I apply it to my music as well if you want to be the best you’ve got to work with the best so

presume if you go to the United States as a farm a bigger pool of Fighters for you to fight absolutely there’s a lot

more girls around the weight class as well you know like here in the UK when I first asked out there was only two of us

in the UK myself and Stacey Copeland and that was it a super welterweight I mean how crazy is that just two of us yeah

you know so that’s massively change now thankfully women’s boxing’s hugely On The Rise and we see a lot of a lot more

Fighters coming through girls coming from the Olympic teams you know it’s been a huge kind of uh shift in

popularity for the sport and support as well um so now we’re actually getting a decent amount of Fighters coming through

we’re nowhere near what the guys are but we’re starting to get there can you sit comfortably at Super

welterweight or how hard is it for you to to make way or do you ever just think do you know what I just want a pizza

do you know what when you’re in a 12-week training camp there are definitely tires you’re thinking I could I could definitely do a pizza but um no

I I make the weight well I’m very disciplined when it comes to making weight and as far as I’m concerned and I’ve always said this you know it’s 50

of my job is to make the weight you’re contracted to make a particular way on a particular day and if you don’t make

that wait sometimes the fight won’t go ahead or you will have to pay money to your opponent so you know it’s you don’t

want to do 12 weeks of work for the fight to not happen because you couldn’t make the way in scales and it must have

been great to to when you made history when uh you became the first Scottish female world champion to do in front of

a home crowd but is there an added pressure is it almost easier to go away and be the outsider

um to be honest that was probably one of my most stressful nights of My Life um because I thought in Norway by then I

thought in um America you know and I think fighting in front of my home crowd

was something that added a little bit of pressure because I knew a lot of people in the audience there’s a lot of my family my friends I could see everybody

and actually on the night there was a very special moment which kind of threw me a little bit before I went out to the

ring um all of the young Fighters the young kids that go to the clinic boxing gym in Glasgow at that point they almost

did like a god of Honor for me for my walk out they all stood there as I walked out and it really caught me I

wasn’t expecting them to do it you know and I suddenly realized that all these little people are looking up to me to

become world champion and that was a moment a real realization moment you

know and uh I remember it really really clearly can you take animosity into the ring or does that go back to what you

were talking about earlier tactical to be on your best you need to be cool calm and calculated

they always say you never do your best work fighting if you’re angry or you’re

upset or you’re over emotional because if you’re over emotional then you’ll rush to do things that you wouldn’t

normally do that’s when you make your mistakes and if your opponent’s more common and reassured that they’ll cut

they’ll take that opportunity to land their shots and do everything they need to do so if you’re not calm then you’re

not going to be able to execute your game plan you’re not going to be able to you know be do what you need to do and

deal with any sort of stresses in the room well how do you control your nerves have you ever tried meditation or yoga

I don’t do yoga um I’d like to I’d like to like yoga so I’d like I’d like to

enjoy it I’d like to be able to go and do it but I’m very very fidgety and hyperactive and I’ve got a little bit of

ADHD so I find that I get kind of fixated and trying to get the movements correct and do them the best I can when

actually it’s something you know you need to practice for years and years and years so I get quite competitive with it I’m sure that’s not what you’re meant to

be doing with yoga so um I do a lot of visualization techniques a lot of mental preparation

uh you know like I have a great team around me to do that with and I think all top level athletes work with sports

psychologists and do mental training um visualization is such an important thing and it’s something I’ve actually

brought over from my music side straight into the boxing world because I visualize lots of concerts that I did

um millions of times you know and it’s how I prepare to do a solo concert and same thing for you know an orchestral

concert as well so it’s important to be able to actually use this Tech technique but also when you have meditation there

I do use different types of meditation for breathing techniques so you know before I start a fight I’ll do three

deep breaths to control my heart rate calm my mind get ready to go all that sort of thing do you still do long runs

does that help mentally does that clear the brain a bit I love to run running is my down time it’s the time that I use to

clear my head it’s the time I used to what I mean training camp to visualize my fights visualize opportunities the

things that are going to happen like they come in and they actually they’re very they knock me down the first round how do I come back from that or I

visualize I knock them out in the first round you know it’s running is for me it’s like my therapy is something that I

really enjoy um but a lot of boxers don’t enjoy running ironically a lot of them use it

to make weight so for me I’m very blessed to find that I can actually use it to actually enjoy it

if you’re a Scot in London and up against it in Scott’s care You’ve Got a

Friend now you spoke about a 12-week training

camp and this this question is from my friend Neil and he’s a former England weightlifting Champion but he he wanted

to talk to you about uh is there a maximum amount of time that you can hold that Peak Fitness yes so I mean 12 weeks

there was a couple of weeks was pre-camp work so we’re working on sort of like working on strength working and things

like that that just prior to actually starting the training camp um but yeah there is a there’s a limited

time and it’s not actually it’s physically you’ll be always more you can always do more than you think you can

it’s mentally it’s how you put it it’s peaking is really mental for me I think it’s like you’ve got to get to that

point where you’re just you’re ready to fight you know so my world title training comes usually around about 10 10 to 12 weeks

um and it that’s really down to your coach you know how well they know you how much you can put like step on the

gas push forward or if you need to hold it back a little bit and there’s all that side of it which I’m always amazed

at how well they managed to judge budget because you’re just peaking at the right point is so important and it’s that

point when you get in the ring you’re like buzzing you’re ready to go you’re full of energy and you know all the hard work is done and you’re just ready to

unleash it all yeah and I watched your last fight against Terry Harper and that was great you were buzzing there but

then then I went oh my Lord when you you had your eye cut quite badly yeah what was it what was it at the edge of her

glove or her head what hit you well it was deemed to punch um but I think personally I thought it

was an elbow but you know it is it is what it is the referee said it was a punch so you know it was about seven or

eight stitches after the fight was the first time I’ve ever been cut ever in 18 professional fights and of course I’d

have to do it my world title defense you know so if you’re going to do something doing well my mom always used to say so

yeah um it was in the second round and it opened up and uh yeah it was just it

caused a lot of um things I never had to deal with before um so I didn’t really get to execute my

game plan the way I wanted to and and even when I started to you know catch up with her in the later rounds because we

always knew she’d be ahead by halfway she’s got great footwork fantastic and combination punching you know so I knew

she’d be her ahead but I was gonna catch up with her in the later round but it just um as I managed to get there and

you know score some damaging shots and things I wasn’t able to capitalize on it because I just I just couldn’t see very

well so yeah you know you live and you learn and it’s the first time I’ve ever been cut so now I know going forward

what that’s going to be like do you worry about getting hit on the head no okay

don’t you worry about getting hit on the chest no no because

I think you in boxing it’s fighting it’s a fight at the end of the day and um if

you’re going in there worrying about being hit in any way particular you’re more likely to get hit like I said

earlier and you’re not likely to be able to do the work that you need to do to win the fight so I don’t worry about

these things and and also equally I’m you know my the British boxing Board of control is one of the safest boards in

the world uh so you know we have to do tests every year we get an MRI every year we get Medicals done every year and

obviously after this fight for me with the cutting things you know I’ve got a suspension I’m not allowed to fight you

know obviously but like things have got to heal I’ve got to get checked by a doctor and things like that so you know

these things are taken into consideration I I watched an interview with uh the

cyclist Karen Thomas and he was he was talking about sacrifice and he was saying he actually he you know he’s

talking about he mentioned Christmas dinners and birthday parties and nights out with friends that he has he has missed over the course of his his

cycling career how much sacrifice personal sacrifice has there been for you in that kind of way

definitely I think all fighters will say when it comes to sacrificing things the things that we have to miss the family

events uh you know weddings birthdays you know just social events that you

miss as a fighter is very hard you know because there’s so many times in my family where I want to be there

um but I can’t be there because I’m in the middle of training camp and uh you know it’s just also equally you know

personal things like you know as uh tragedies in the family and stuff like that that sort of mental strain as well

is actually very hard to deal with when you’re trying to focus on a fight because you need to be fully focused on what you’re doing so often if there’s

anything going on in the family and stuff my family will message Noel my coach to let him know and he’ll let

he’ll decide whether or not I need to know about it until later on because yeah there’s things like that which

could really throw you in and ultimately that puts you at risk as a fighter because then you’re not able you’re worrying about something else instead of

what you should be doing you mentioned female boxing now hitting a much bigger

stage and when I when I watched the Katie Taylor and Amanda Serrano um Fighters 19 000 people incredible it was

a one million dollar purse has this made a difference to your lifestyle have your wedges skyrocketed either you you know

now training in Monaco and driving apparently I know so basically

basis for boxing as a whole it was a fantastic fight you know everybody was raving at how great it was they sold out

Madison Square Garden it was incredible and I was really lucky that my headline fight the Hydra was two weeks later

because women’s boxing was just booming and everyone was talking about it so you know it really gave like support to my

fight as well um money-wise we’re nowhere near what the guys are earning that’s just facts at the moment and the money is rising

and I’m now at a stage of my career as a work like you know as a former world champion um three times world champion to be

um you know it’s an OP there’s opportunities there for me to get more sort of Financial Security from

sponsorship because people actually want to sponsor women’s boxing these days when I first started out my coach would

phone like the traditional sort of building or scaffolding companies and say I’ve got this great boxer she and

they’re like oh we don’t we don’t like women’s boxing you know so now that’s really changed so you can get a lot more

support from other things but the purses are nowhere near what the guys are getting it’s just uh things will have to

catch up a little bit and I think that will change when we get maybe 12 twos or we get three minute rounds yeah you know

I think that’s the the last stumbling block but you know we’re getting there and every time I get in the ring and do

stuff I’m always pushing for fairer fairer prices for us can you pinpoint one thing that drives you would it be

the achievement the titles the the fame the cash is there is there anything that you could say one thing or is it a

mixture all of them um I think as a mixture of a few things

um one I’m incredibly compressive with myself um I you know I’ve always been like that

whatever I’m gonna do if I if I want to do something I’ll go 100 at it you know it’s a that’s just how I work

um secondly I think the loss of my mum gave me a sort of inspiration to do as

much as I can do whilst I’m here because tomorrow is never promised and um you

know being able to go out there and achieve this as a fighter in my later

year like later than most people will be able to do it is incredible and probably lastly

is I want to be sort of like a role model to people who you know who maybe think they want to change their career

at a later date you know I didn’t start boxing until I was halfway through my 20s so you know that was a very late

start for me but it was a passion of mine and I thought you know what I love this I want to do this so that’s where

I’ve got I’ve gone into it and for those younger girls coming through especially young Scottish girls because you know

there’s not very many of us unboxing in in Scotland I want to inspire Next Generation to see that how Hannah

ranking she became our first female world champion she headlined at the hydro that’s a possibility for me that’s

something that I can follow a path that I can do so unboxing is a career path that is now open to me as a young girl

so yeah I think that’s that’s pretty much what drives me because I know every time I get inbox I mean there’s lots of

little little people and and older looking at me to see what I’m gonna do like especially as obviously having lost

my last fight you know I know a lot of people are waiting to see how I react to this and how I come back I can yeah you

know what I’m going to do next and I’m a very resilient person I know this about myself it’s probably one of my good

attributes and so for me I can’t wait to get back in the ring next year and uh get back on the horse and get back to

where I know I belong with a world champion you know but hopefully that inspires younger people to to you know

follow their dreams and you know push themselves to try new things and are you rooted in the here and now or do you do

you ever take time out and think life after boxing laughs well

obviously when I’m fighting I have to be in the moment but uh I’m very lucky

actually to um experience the opportunity of actually doing commentary much earlier in my career than I

actually ever thought I would I thought it’s not something that would come to me until after I retired but um I’ve been

very blessed to have the opportunities to work in with Sky Sports with BBC um all of these places so you know for

me I think for me I’d like to go into a commentary career after after I retire from boxing that’s something I’d like to

do I do quite a lot of public speaking at the moment working with the health and wellness groups an ambassador for a

boxing charity so these are sort of areas that I probably would aim to be involved in when I retire I think the

final question I would ask you might be a difficult one for you Hannah but if you could meet your 17 year old Hannah is there anything you would say to a no

looking back oh you’re still a young woman what age do you know uh 32 now oh yeah only 32 you know if you can meet 17

year old Hannah is there any advice you’d give her anything you would have changed changed in that path to be honest

probably not because everything I’ve done has got me to where I am now and the way that I always approach things

was oh give it a go see where you end up because I’m that kind of person I’ve

always take an opportunity that’s given to me and see what happens because it takes you some into some amazing places

but 17 year old me I’d probably say there’s great things to come and you

know you know just keep doing what you’re doing and be yourself Hannah thanks for chatting to me today

thank you so much for having me speak to you later daddy bye cheers bye [Music]

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